Well.. *ahem* ... nice try, but I already know about that one, and it cost me more than $75. ( but, allowing for the different value of the Aussie dollar that's probably pretty closE)
I lost EVERYTHING on my hard disk.... had a new one fitted (higher capacity etc ), still trying to make things work properly.
btw... saw one of those Snow White messages just yesterday... deleted it immediately.
Noddy
Anne,
They tested my memory skills, math skills, and tons of other things where I
had to use my brain (or try to). Tests with blocks and pictures. I can't
remember them all (wonder why :) When I remember more I'll let you know. I
am pleased with the interview that I had with the doctor there. He was very
understanding and really listened to me.
I'm off tosleep with my "gear". I'll let you know if it works.
Janice
In a message dated 2/9/01 7:41:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Hi to Group (and blind copies to a few friends involved with other
groups so they can let their groups know),
I'm sending Bill and Carol-Ann's entire message. I had never heard
of this one.
:)
whitegoose
Message:
<< I just spent $75 getting rid of a virus that came to me
(unsolicited of course!) on the internet. It was an e-mail titled
"Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs - the REAL Story." When I opened
it, it was blank, so I got rid of it. Too late! A few
weeks later (actually, last Tuesday night), my system crashed. You
might warn everybody on your maililng list to watch
out for it. (If I had seen the address "sexyfun" I wouldn't have
even opened it, but that never appeared.)
God Bless,
Bill & Carol Ann (Read Below Please)
Have you been receive spam mail from "hahaha@..."?
Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
!! DO NOT OPEN THE EMAILS. DO NOT RUN THE ATTACHMENTS !!
!! THEY ARE INFECTED AND HAVE A FAKE RETURN ADDRESS !!
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Preface:
I get lots of unsolicited e-mail, with so many addresses
exposed to the Internet address scroungers, so for me to see
a new message from some unheard-of person or company is not at
all unusual. So, I've overlooked the following for a while.
Information:
From: Hahaha@... <== Major nasty little virus.
Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
If and when you get a message from this address, watch it.
It has attachment of a variety of 31 different files.
If you open any of them, you'll wish you hadn't.
I've not ascertained what the little bugger will do,
but it is touted as "the most sophisticated virus yet."
Background:
It is similar to the "Happy.exe" virus, which was apparently
harmless, but spread itself by sending itself to everyone new
address you write to. Lovely, huh? It's still going too.
It began at the end of 1999, as I recall, so you can see its
longevity...
Well, this new one is like that too, but fancier. This one even
goes to various sources to update itself, and may even open a trap
door to your computer, or any other thing the programmer(s)
wish to do in the next version once you have it on your system.
Anyway, enough of that. Just know, first, don't open ANY file
that comes to you in e-mail, as a .exe or a .scr filetype if you
value your virus free status. Especially ones from
Hahaha@.... (I also DO NOT open any .doc files)
False Sense of Security:
"Oh, you're silly, Jeff. I have virus protection..."
Yeah, you may think so, but the programmers of viruses pride
themselves on hiding their programs in new ways, and there is
always some lag time before virus protection programs catch the
latest and greatest of viruses.
Trust those famous last words with great caution too:
"Check out this funny little program! I've checked it
with 3 virus checker programs. It's SAFE!"
The way I look at it, I only trust programs coming directly
from the source, and even that can be suspect. Hell, Microsoft
included a virus in its own Operating System (OS) once... :-(
State-of-the-art Hybris Virus:
This one takes many such measures to hide itself, including
128 bit encryption of the code and rewrites various files in
ways that don't hide the changes... and so on. As I said, it
is the state-of-the-art effort at messing over your life.
It is all over the 'Net too. So look out!
I get a dozen copies a day (which I automatically delete with
filtering). I even know someone who started a new address at
a large provider yesterday, never mailed with it once, and
already received two different variations of this Hybris virus
in her new mailbox the very first day!! Wow.
Apparently, her new ISP is infected, and is spreading it
through their mail servers...
"When a computer is infected with the virus, the virus harvests
email addresses sent and received over the computer's Internet
connection, and then emails itself out to those addresses."
--SpamCop.net
How do I get rid of it?
For those of you who are saying, "Oh my God... I just opened
that cute little program from HaHaHa@.... I was just
SURE I was going to get a nifty show..."
Below you can find a link to a FREE program to remove it,
and some background on how to do so.
http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/hybris.shtml
F-Prot is one of the best virus removal systems.
It is a very tricky little bugger though.
(This virus has to be removed at the DOS level.)
Learn More:
If you're the type who would like to read about the latest and
greatest in viscous programming, have a look. (Or just want to
know more so you can better protect yourself.)
HERE is a write up from Symantec's site:
http://www.norton.com/avcenter/venc/data/w95.hybris.gen.html
HERE is a write up from Sophos's site:
http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32hybrisc.html
HERE is a write up from F-Prot's site:
http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/hybris.shtml
HERE is a write up from Kaspersky Labs:
http://www.kaspersky.com/news.asp?tnews=0&nview=1&id=134&page=0
And here is a write up from SpamCop.net:
http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-help/2000-December/000263.html
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Zooky that was cute my hubby had to learn all the "woman's work" as my dad
used to say
He does a great job now
I feel about him as you do the Mrs.
Love Anne
Zooky
That was beautiful. You are both very lucky to have each other. Many more
years of happiness to you both.
Cheryl
Sleep well Janice
z00ky you just made my day. Patti
Well, the moment of serendipity has passed. Mrs. Z came home from work and "Mr
Stroke" muddled my brain. One of the things that I'm *supposed* to remember is
to hang her bras on the line - not put them in the dryer - I don't always
remember that. Today I remembered - was sooooooooo proud of myself that I
explained to her "hey, I even remembered to hang your boobs on the line!".
Sigh, oh, well, I tried. :)
Z00ky- that is an incredibly sweet tribute to Mrs. Z00ky. Kate
Anne,
The study (both of them) were a trip. All the wires, bells and buzzers were
too much! The tech was great and explained everything he was doing. I had to
sleep with my mouth closed (a difficult thing for me do with my mouth) but he
said I managed.
The machine was delivered this morning. My husband said if he wakes up during
the night and sees me in my with my head gear on he will probably be scared
to death! I just hope it works. Wish me luck for my hopefully quiet and
headacheless night. Thanks.
Janice
Z00ky your note is beautiful. I'm looking forward to meeting you and Mrs. Z
when you move to WA. Patti
Or, caregivers of men.
My wife recently made a WONDERFUL discovery! Shirts that are 90% cotton, 10%
Spandex. T'is not the Spandex that we used in our youth, but comes in very
handy with a "wasteline", etc., that's being problematic at the moment. Sure
beats buying a new shirt every time another inch (or so) is added, sigh.
Underwear - Munsingwear makes a neat set of underwear that has kind of a
"kangaroo" pouch. Sure makes the "retrieval/stowing" process MUCH easier!
This one doesn't just apply to stroke survivors - they're very helpful to men
that have arthritis, et al, too.
While humming Lou Rawl's "Lady Love" today, I'm doing laundry. Each piece of
my wife's stuff reminds me of her (she's working today) yes, we've been married
39 years, but we've been together 50+ years (childhood sweethearts). Yes,
we've had our problems over the years but, they seem SOOOO long ago. Our vows
have been severely tested over the years - including the "in sickness and in
health" part.
I absolutely could not describe the love that I have for her - nor the love
that she showers on everyone. The 'kids' that's she's mentored - well, we're
pretty proud of them, too. Our own biological "kids"? Each of them take after
mom (and, her mom). I just couldn't be prouder of them!
Excuse me for I must scurry for the Kleenex box. I just wanted to drop off
this note. I know life is very difficult for many of you - just wanted to let
you know how much I love my wife, my caregiver, my "lady Love" - forever &
ever! My sincere wishes that the relationship that your life with your
caregiver by happy, too.
Give her (or him) a special squeeze for me on Sunday. If necessary, tell'em
that "Zooky sent you".
HUGZ,
Zooky
I'm glad you enjoyed the slide show. I think that is one of the better ones he's set up. My son loves to scuba dive.
Joyce
I'm doing some research - looking for input. I know that some of you are
seeing TCM practitioners. If s/he recommended that you take the Chinese herb
formula known as: Huatuo Zaizao Wan (for aftermath and prevention of a stroke)
I'd like to hear of your experiences with that formula. What, if any,
prescription drugs are you also taking? Also, if possible, look at the label
and see if you can tell me the manufacturer"s name.
Thanks
obtw - the "Huatuo" is the name of the Chinese Dr. that invented it - thus your
formula may be simply marked: Zaizao Wan
Note: I am NOT giving any recommendation to the formula, just seeking input
from those that have tried it or are currently on it.
Hi Janice
How did your testing go? Was it as stressful as you thought it would be.
hope you had a nice Birthday.
Love,
Cheryl
Janice, I hope it works for you. What happened during the sleep study?
Anne
I had a sleep study 2 times. The Dr. beleives it may be a reason I have
headaches. The tests revealed that I do have sleep apnea. As a matter of
fact, the gentleman from the medical supply company is coming today to
install the equitment. My husband and daughter are thrilled!! (they are tired
of listeneing to me snore so loudly). Hope it helps with these crummy
headaches. I'll let you know if it works.
Janice
Fuzzy math anyone? :)
Yup! Just some background. I posted the first one at the suggestion of a
"shrink". He quite often uses these things in his practice - to help prove to
people that they're not as lacking in certain areas as they perceive themselves
to be. He had seen so many posts along the lines of "my brain doesn't work
right since the stroke". While that's usually very true, the extent *may* be
less than they perceive it to be. Hence his suggestion - both to the riddles
and the stating up front that the answers can only come from stroke survivors.
Plus, of course, the process may offer an enjoyable diversion for survivors.
As such, it certainly wasn't meant to stress anyone out.
Whitegoose...
You just made my day...gave me a good laugh....LOL
Lisa
Thanks Z00ky -
no, I not wanna play Cupid, whould look very stupid flying around, clad only
with my quiver. Also in my country there would be an additional rule :
- Before hitting the target a leaflet about preventing Aids is to be handed
to the target, together with a condome (on Valentine's day decorated with red
hearts).
Reinhard
Dear Cheryl,
Thank you for your welcome.
I get the digest, so I'm a lttle behind the times.
I had my first stroke in May, 1991.
I was 50 years old anthe only risk factor I had was that I smoked.
I'm grateful that I haven't had a cigarette (Marlboros) since.
It was a right brain ischemic stroke.
I have a bunch of deficits that together make for a very challenging
life, but I have no paralysis, only in the very beginning.
I also have no pain, no seizures.
And I can live on the SSI income I receive.
Right now, I can walk pretty easily, but I've had some long periods i
the last few years when getting to the bathroom and back was about all I
could manage.
I live in northern California in San Jose, the heart of Silicon Valley.
Most of what I know about stroke I learned from groups like this.
I'm looking forward to meeting those of you that I don't know.
Moira
Dear Anne,
I must agree with Rick (and others who wrote). You must have this
checked out. There is no embarrassment in this. sleep apnea at the
least can greatly interfere with you having a proper sleep and at
the worst can be life-threatening. Any Doc who is worth his "salt"
will treat this seriously.
Heavy snorers often have this. It is very common in persons who
are overweight. But any Stroker who has difficulty in swallowing
or any other throat problems may have this also. And let's not
forget people with sinus problems.
So please go and get checked. If your doctor is blaise about this,
get another opinion from another doc.
:)
whitegoose
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Anne B. sent this. It is so beautiful. It is in a form acceptable
to AOL users.
:)
whitegoose
HREF="http://www.link4u.com/touchsomeone.htm"
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Hi to Group,
Nuts (if you are not allergic to them) are very good for you.
In writing privately to Zooky, I mentioned all my favourite nuts,
including "human nuts"
Zooky (being Zooky) remarked - I won't evem ask...!!!)
Boy, I truly turned crimson (and giggled) when I read that. Guys in
the U.S. have truly imaginative minds!
Apart from giviing the Group a laugh - and no time to respond to
your email Zooky, I want to explain my affection is for those
humans who are a little "off-beat". I hope my reputation is
intact!!
<grins
:)
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Cheryl wrote to Mary Claire:
<<You are right. Stress weakens the immune system, thus you are
suseptable to all the viruses and flu's that come along.
Dear Cheryl,
There is good stress (when you are in control), and bad stress
(when things seem beyond your control). During a Psychology class
long time ago, we explored the results of a certain study (Stanford
University) - The end result was - As long as you have an
expectation (can see light at the end of the tunnel) - even if it
is long-term, your glands and immune system are geared up to help
you. You have an excellent chance of overcoming your fears and
getting control over life circumstances.
Stress cannot be measured. We all respond to events differently.
But we can challenge our views of a situation. Best results for
those who have determination, take the meds/do therapy their doc
advises they "must" take, and are able to bypass the meds and
stuff they don't really need.
Treat each new day as a challenge (to be enjoyed, sometimes
problems to be left on the back-burner for another day, and to be
happy with oneself.)
Always to be thankful for what is today, and not live in the past.
Remember the happy memories. Cherish what is ours "right now."
And not to be fearful of the future. Be glad for our achievements.
Sorry, I rambled a bit Cheryl. Long, busy day, and I am tired.
:)
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brainteaser. Kate
Cheryl I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. It's all in fun
and very unimportant in the "great scheme of things." Brain
teasers are "trick" questions. If you do find something in your
papers - fine. If you don't have time, say so - this is a support
group, not a "stress group." Kate and Zooky are clever enought to
have many brain-teazers up their sleeves.
I enjoyed your latest email, but haven't had time to respond to it.
Your well-being, work, school, your family are your priorities.
February is a very cold month. My place is kindof messy right now.
April is when I burst out into "spring cleaning." It has been
snowing here since last night, but now turning to rain. Streets
and sidewalks are very slushy.
Take care,
:)
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Hi Noddy,
So good to see your posts. Kate had great advice also.
Man in the jungle goes to witchdoctor looking for "magic cure."
My generation was taught to go to doctor when in pain to get "no
magic"scientific cure (Aren't they somewhat similar.)? We go to
"whoever and expect instant relief." In this respect I can see
where Darlene is coming from. There really is no "magic bullet."
Pain is just a symptom - it's not the actual disease/problem.
Most headache/pain pills numb the nerves/nuscles that are causiing
the pain - they don't address the cause.
It is good to have a healthy respect for meds. It is a hard
decision to come to - is my pain temporary, can it be corrected in
any other way than by pills. But stroke severs our nerve pathways,
and sometimes we really do need the meds. Each individual person
is different.
My own regime - find out what you really need (in my case tests
disclosed I needed "this and that" - no question). Other tests
were "iffy". Those are the pills and treatments to be careful
about.
I'm not sure if I even explained this properly.
:)
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Dear Joyce,
The slide show was absolutley fantastic. I have saved the
Java/Applet information for future use.
Thank you so much for sending us 1st, the site, then the
instructions.
:)
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Zooky wrote:
<<Whitegoose: were you a politician in a former life? :)
How perceptive you are Zooky, Why go the simple route if you can
"stretch it out" with effect. I tried the committee system (Me, me
and me) with the usual results (If Moses had used the committee
system, the Israelites would still be waiting to cross the Red Sea!
(grins) Politicians (and Socrates) will always have an answer.
:)
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From a strictly physiological stand point, metabolizing any drug does impact on
all
of the major organs(primarily the liver) and body systems(both the endocrine and
nervous systems have to respond to it and the urinary tract and digestive
systems
have to rget rid of it. Kate
Hi to Zooky and Group,
I don't have or use aol.
From what I have learned so far,
http://www.biofeedbackzone.com/
will work for most of us. BUT
for AOL users, they have to type
<A HREF="http://www.biofeedbackzone.com?"
Please let me know if this works for you.
:)
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Anne---I certainly am not a Dr. but I have my doubts whether you have Sleep Apnea. Particularly with the weight gain as you mentioned. I had just the opposite. No restful sleep,loss of weight and as a result my disposition was rotten.
I would suggest that you see your Dr. or any Dr. that as some knowledge of Sleep,Apnea. The Dr. will have to refer youn to a Sleep Lab.in your area and they will take it from there.
Sorry, I could not be of more help
Rick
Mary Claire
You are right. Stress weakens the immune system, thus you are suseptable to all the viruses and flu's that come along.
Love,
Cheryl
Noddy: when I went through that Psychological Pain Management course (which was
very helpful to me) it was conducted by an MD. He stated several times that
the intent of the course was to help us deal with pain on the mental level and
get us off pain pills since those put a lot of stress and strain on the body.
It was sort of odd hearing that from an MD but it is, of course, true.
I think it was someone on this list that wondered how my son put the slideshow together. This is how he did it.
Joyce
This kind of stuff is enough to make a grown man cry. Obviously, I just
clicked on the above and got right in, sigh. I do note that you're on AOL so I
suspect it's that weirdo thing of AOL striking again. I can't remember the
html code that you have to put before/after it to make it work. Can anyone
else help?
Whitegoose: were you a politician in a former life? :)
Politically-Correct Cupid
Cupid has been the most famous symbol of love since
the days of ancient Greece and Rome. While our sandal-clad ancestors gathered
at the Coliseum for a few laughs while watching some good old fashioned
hand-to-hand combat, current attitudes have softened things up a bit.
Throughout history, not much about Cupid has changed, but nowadays, society
views things a little differently. Moving into the new millennium, Cupid,
along with the rest of us, has had to adjust to some of the society's
cultural and social changes. But fear not! Come February 14th, the messenger
of love will be making his usual rounds, and love birds the world over will
bask in the warm glow of romance. To make your Valentine's Day complete,
sneak a peek at our Gifts For Him and Gifts For Her collections to make your
day of love as fruitful and enchanting as ever! In recognition of today's
ultra-awareness and diplomacy, we've arranged a few tips to help you
understand today's politically correct Cupid - so you can continue to fully
enjoy your Valentine's Day! From this day forward:
--Cupid is no longer known as a matchmaker, but as a "Romance & Emotion
Engineer."
--Instead of arrows, Cupid will now use suction cup-tipped lawn darts fully
endorsed by the P.E.T.A.L. (People for the Ethical Treatment of All Lovers).
--Those chosen by Cupid will be known as "Romantically-Challenged."
--Once struck, those hit by Cupid's darts will no longer "fall" in love. In
order to avoid those nasty personal injury suits, these people will now
gently somersault into love under the full supervision of a certified
gymnastics coach.
--Cupid will continue to fly around choosing his targets, but from now on
will do so in full compliance with FAA regulations, local air traffic
patterns and with full collision and liability coverage.
--Cupid will choose his "love birds" in accordance with current laws which
stipulate that no lovers will be selected based on race, color, religion,
sex, national origin, age, or physical challenges.
--He will now wear unisex pants.
Now after all this .... HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY....
I apoligize in advance if two copies are sent - the first copy was sent
yesterday and never showed up on the lists so I am trying again.
Hi everyone,
A couple weeks have past since Carmel went to the hospital. She was treated for
her bladder infection ( which caused her dementia to worsen significantly)and
then transferred to a LTC hospital. She has been there a little over a week and
still needs a lot more pt (physical therapy and OT (Occupational therapy) and
doesn't need hospital care - so they are transferring her to the nursing home
this Friday. We had really hoped that she could go to assisted living but she
isn't even walking by herself yet and may never again.
Got to look at her chart last week and we were surprised at the diagnosis:
Congestive Heart Failure with enlarged heart; dementia multi-infarct type ( we
knew this) as well as alzheimer type, Continued TIA with white matter chances
(of the brain) and Parkinsons ( which I understand can also result from
dementia) She is on many meds and is at times is with us partially- knows us and
what day and date it is- but other days she tells us she has been working all
day and she was giving out prices for items. Yesterday she told us she accepted
a job in a furniture store. She is under the impression that we have to move
from our house. She doesn't remember where she used to live but does remember
people from the church when they come to visit. The priest visited her and she
told us they were in a play and he made a pass at her!
What is so disgusting is the way the staff deals with caring for the elderly
patients- she couldn't get up by herself- so they put a foley catheter in- and
she still has it. But at least they had a bedside commode for BM's
When she got to the long term care hospital - they are even busier and less
staffed- so they just put everyone in depends- she was not incontinent - but
when you can't get to the bathroom and you have to go you don't have a choice.
I wouldn't be surprised they told her it was ok to just go in the depends.
I go back to ortho doc Feb to check on the fusion of my spine. Not much pain,
just aching in my lower back. Main problem is fighting with my employer trying
to get my disability payments started- they don't see it as a priority- and they
are already a week and a half PAST the date the payments were supposed to start.
Once they get it to the insurance company - they have another 5 days to evaluate
it and then approve or disapprove or ask for more info - if this isn't fixed
soon we may have to move.
Well I guess I have said enough - this is very hard on Bill to see his mother
this way. The nurses told us that when she is in her memories we should meet her
there because trying to bring her back to reality will just frustrate her. But
Bill seems to keep correcting her when she says something that isn't true - I
guess it is his effort to keep his mother closer to reality.
Leslie
Hello Rita -
try www.expertsinmind.com instead, regarding Neurobiofeedback. Also the pages
from Nursing Excellence give good information.
In my case this method will not help, as I had a massive bleeding deep down
in the "white matter", where an EEG does not reach. My EEG's always came out
fine.
Reinhard
Besides the special exercises suggested by Lufthansa German Airlines (all
done while sitting) there is possibly another method to prevent a fatal
thrombosis.
On my last flight Hamburg to Frankfurt I did no exercise (only one hour
flight) and had a beer. In Frankfurt, while waiting for my connection to Los
Angeles I felt my left leg already swelling, despite the support-hose. Oh
fine, I thought.
On the flight to LAX (11 hours) I started exercises and switched from beer to
an Australian red wine which my airline served specially in January (Shiraz,
quite heavy and earthy, but delicious). Soon the swelling got better. After
landing I had no trouble to get my boots on again.
Noddy, did you know about this capacity of Aussie Red ? If not, tell it
Qantas, because there is a lawsuit coming up against them in Sydney regarding
"missing prevention of Cattle-Class-Syndrome" in their passengers.
Reinhard
I think the "system" is weakened by stress, not strengthened. But, then, I too have been wrong before, Noddy. It's almost 2:30am here in Chicago. Off to bed. Mary Claire
My slightly more reserved view of the same matter is that refraining from taking even 'simple' pain killers ( unless pain was serious) helps 'strengthen the system and makes less reliant on pills when/if serios trouble comes. ( But I've been wrong before.... don't ask when !)
Noddy
This particular thread reminds me of a time when I was leery of any drugs and stoic about pain. When I refused to take a simple aspirin for a headache my doctor was extremely exasperated and said to me, "You have to realize that pain puts a lot of stress on the body. Do you somehow think that there's virtue in enduring pain? Any pain at all? That kind of thinking makes no sense whatsoever and is unhealthful."
I now think he was absolutely right and that he was very wise. If mental or physical discomfort can be alleviated -- and the side effects are acceptable -- then, please, take whatever it is that's helpful and don't feel guilty about it for one single second. Mary Claire
Finola
Since hyperbaric oxygen treatment increases blood supply, I would think it
would not be good for the type of stroke your Mom had.
Cheryl
The fox will eat the chicken. The chicken will eat the corn. So the
man only has to take the fox across.
But, if the rowboat can only take one "thing", then he can only take
the bag of corn (the only "thing"). the others are "live" - a fox can
swim and a chicken can actually fly.
But If I am the man in the rowboat, I will have the fox "muzzled", the
chicken in a cage, both of them towed on a "float" behind my boat, and
I'll sit on the bag of corn while I navigate the boat.
Haha (this is a pleasant diversion).Not giving it too much thought.
:)
whitegoose
Dear Finola,
Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy is (accordiing to Health Canada) just not
proven to help strokers. And may even be dangerous, especially for
bleeders.
Another therapy, showing good results, seems to be Constraint
Induced Therapy.
Here is an excellent site to read up about it:
http://www.stroke-info.com/ci_therapy.htm
The fact that your Mom is showing even a slight improvement is
wonderful. I hope you can find your way back to Sligo.
:)
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Finola,
-It
seems so unfair and seems to happen for no reason. Age or condition of
health don't really seem to come into the equation.
*You are right, it seems very unfair and it isn't comnnected to health or how you take care of yourself
-Some days she is as if on a high and when I go into see her the next day
she's in the pits of despair. She is in rehab at the moment and they are
very happy with her there.
*I am sure sometimes your mother feels like she is making progress and other times it is just all too overwhelming. Mood changes like that are normal after any traumatic event and sometimes they are also due to the effect the stroke had on the brain. I am glad she is doing so well in rehab. She needs to do as many things as she can for herself (she should be creative about how she tackles a task).
-At the moment she has regained a minute amount of feeling in her weak leg,
but if she gets tired that goes and it is back to square one. I'm quite sure
she must find it very frustrating
*Yes, she will find that everything gets harder when she is tired and she will feel that she gets tired quicker. Plus she has to concentrate on every little movement which is very tiring. I remember how thrilled I was the first morning I could eat breakfast and read at the same time. The tiredness gets better with time and Eventually some things become automatic again.
-She was very active before her stroke and I'm sure in her private quiet
moments now she looks to the future and wonders what lies ahead for her
realistically.
*It is to her advantage if she was physically active before her stroke. She needs to move all her muscles as much as she can (even mirroring with the good side)so she doesn't loose muscle tone while she is getting control back. Being determined is a good thing too.
-It is so unreal for me even at this moment to be writing about it.
Now the house is
cold atmospherically as she is not there and I reckon it will never be the
same again as alterations will have to be made to it and obviously she too
will be different.
I know my children were very nervous about how I would be and how things would be when I got back home. The most important thing to remember is that your mother is still the same person inside that she was before the stroke. The same things and people are important to her now as before,so anything you can do to help or encourage her to find ways to be that person now will help her to feel useful and "normal" and I can't tell you how important that is at this time when she is dependent on others for everything.
-However that's all in the future. I'm sorry to be such a moan. I just feel
sad when I think of the adjustments she will have to make to her life and at
her age . .
*Finola, don't be sorry for being a moan, It is normal to feel sad and your Mum will be too,for she has lost something, but remember she is still herself inside and she and you need to be creative and figure out how to let herself out.
-Thank you for listening to me
*Anytime, that's one thing we are here for.
Barbara Butler
Another update from Pat, Bob and Cassie Lea.
:)
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Hi to Group,
I have added a few more photos to our Gallery Page, and a lovely
poem that Patti wrote.
Go to:
http://strokesurvivors.org/GalleryP4/index.html
aol users:
<a href="strokesurvivors.org/GalleryP4.index.html"
:)
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Hi Ann, Barbara and Reinhard
Thank you very much for your prompt replies and information.
I hope it did not cause you any pain having to tell it all again.
You are all very brave and gutsy people, and I wish you all that you would
wish yourselves in the best way for the future.
I cannot even begin to imagine what it must be like to have a stroke. It
seems so unfair and seems to happen for no reason. Age or condition of
health don't really seem to come into the equation.
I don't know if I told you my mother is 76. and I feel that that will go
against her no matter how determined she is. But who knows.
Some days she is as if on a high and when I go into see her the next day
she's in the pits of despair. She is in rehab at the moment and they are
very happy with her there.
At the moment she has regained a minute amount of feeling in her weak leg,
but if she gets tired that goes and it is back to square one. I'm quite sure
she must find it very frustrating
She was very active before her stroke and I'm sure in her private quiet
moments now she looks to the future and wonders what lies ahead for her
realistically.
We were wondering about Hyperbarric Oxygen Therapy for her but her
Specialist is loathe to use it as there is not enough information about it
been used for a haemorraghic stroke.
It is so unreal for me even at this moment to be writing about it.
I live in Dublin Ireland. I am originally from Sligo, where my mother
lives. To be going down there now is very unreal under the circumstances.
Any other time we'd visit it would be a happy occasion. Now the house is
cold atmospherically as she is not there and I reckon it will never be the
same again as alterations will have to be made to it and obviously she too
will be different.
However that's all in the future. I'm sorry to be such a moan. I just feel
sad when I think of the adjustments she will have to make to her life and at
her age . .
Thank you for listening to me
Finola Bolger
In a message dated 2/7/2001 9:05:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jpudewell@... writes:
Ditto that for me Janice :)
Love, Mush (46 and still thinks she's a teenager LOL)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JANICE! I hope you have a good one & that your appt. goes well.
Joyce
Hello La Vondra -
hemorrhagic stroke is somewhat rare among younger women. Mostly they are
caught by a normal stroke caused by the combination of birth control pills
and smoking. The after-effects of smoking last for some years after quitting.
But here in Europe the numbers of young people having hemorrhaging strokes
climbs - without clear explanation. Probably modern day stress plays a role.
Reinhard
ok, if the method that I described yesterday works for you, don't throw away
the unused portion of the tobacco tin - we can now move to organic gardening
with it (this applies to all non-smokers).
- Find a few of the critters that are invading your garden, crush them up and
put them in a cup, add water.
- Bring the cup of water to boiling, add a teaspoon of the tobacco and let it
steep for about 10 minutes (yup, tobacco is a herb).
- Strain and add to a gallon of water in your garden sprayer.
- Add 1/2 tsp liquid soap (NEVER use detergent on plants!)
Spray the mixture on your plants. When it comes to tobacco, bugs & animals are
much smarter than humans - they avoid the stuff at all costs.
Using this method, a tin of tobacco will last you about two years making it a
pretty cheap insect repellant. Plus, you're doing organic gardening thus
avoiding poisonous insecticides.
Or, for the braver, here's a neat formula from herbalist Michael Moore - his
famous (infamous?) Rotgut Liniment:
ROTGUT LINIMENT
Tobacco (Bull Durham etc) 1 ounce
Baneberry Root 1 ounce
Datura Leaves (or Henbane) 1/2 ounce
Cayenne Pepper 1/4 ounce
(OR Ginger Root 1/2 ounce)
Rubbing Alcohol(70% isopropyl) 16 ounces.
Grind up the herbs together and soak them in the rubbing alcohol (shaking
daily)
for two weeks. Apply the squeezed-out liniment by hand or with a
liniment-moistened cloth to sprains, bruises and hyperextensions. Wash your
hands immediately AND, eventually, the parts the liniment is applied to. Avoid
touching your eyes, mouth or naughty bits until your hands are clean...for
obvious (cayenne) reasons.
CLAUSE: Besides the previous, the smell is genially obnoxious and proletariat.
Hello Finola -
I had a stroke by massive hemorrhage (right side) on Dec 24, 1993 at age 57.
In hospital nothing could be done except operations with a chance to make the
damage worse. I refused . Somehow the bleeding stopped after six hours or so.
Four days later I felt movement in my left hand, when yawning. Since then
therapy has brought me out of the wheelchair, but progress is slow. Even now
I rely on a cane, when walking outsides.
Strokes (especially hemorrhagic strokes) are all different and meet different
people. But generally, if somebody survives hemorrhagic stroke (50 %
according to worldwide statistics), there is a chance of partial recovery and
living a happy life again. A positive outlook on the "Road Ahead" and
exercises, every now and then supervised by a Neuro-Therapist, will help a
lot.
Reinhard
Yesterday, I emailed Jacoby and Meyers about the lawsuit. They said they
weren't able to give me info by email. I think the web site I went to was:
http://www.jacoby-meyers.tv/ I can't wait until my sister gets time to call
them, because the man who wrote me back said I should give them a call. Do
you know if getting involved in a lawsuit will effect my healthcare insurance
or SSI? I hope not. I guess that's another thing for me to find out this
week.
LaVondra
On 03.02.01 at 12:19 AM, "Mary Tavares" <marytav@...
Reminds me of a column by Walter Raspberry [sic] that I read some years
ago: It was just after it was announced that one could get cancer from
griddle-fried hamburgers. He wrote that they had gone to far when they
started attributing badness to hamburgers after they had made most of the
other joys of life carcinogenic. Made me break up to read it.
Best, Mike
Heppenheim, Germany
office: mc@...
On 05.02.01 at 09:47 PM, "Mary Tavares" <marytav@...
I'm happy to have added some laughter to your day even in steamy Brazil,
Mary. What's even worse is that while in the hospital, I gave my younger
daughter daily VCR programming instructions. My wife didn't want to hear
anything about a VCR.
Best, Mike
Heppenheim, Germany
office: mc@...
Hi to Group,
I've managed to read all your messages. Glad to see you are all
managing really well without me. Janice, hope you have a Happy
Birthday! Cheryl, I'm thinking of you. Also Bob, Pat, and Cassie
Lea. Not missing anyone out, I am thinking of all of you.
Absolutely no time to respond right now. But some of the messages
are absolutely fantastic. Talk about learning experiences!!
My grandson seems to be "out of the woods." Kate I remember how
sick your little granddaughter was - hope she is fine now.
Mom has opted for no chemotherapy or radiation therapy. Dr. is
coming tomorrow for a consultation on "pain management," Her
squamous cell cancer is "fast-growiing" - her bone scan was
"clear", but her other conditions (severe emphysema and extreme
obesity) means she would further suffer with therapy of any kind.
She is takiing all this extremely well. Thanks again for
recommending that book "Final Gifts". It is a goldmine of
information and common sense.
To Mary T. in Brazil. Moira just joined our group - she is the one
to ask about carotid blockage problems. You can e-mail her direct.
Zooky and Kate - thanks for ever teaching us.
Hi Noddy - good to see you back.
Thanks to Rick for your strong message about those of us a little
different but worthy of our love also.
Thanks to Mush, Gwenda, Joyce, Betty R., and all those I have not
mentioned but who are *very valuable* contributors to this list,
and also our beloved "lurkers". Finola, ask definite questions,
you will get answers. Your Mom will improve with love and good
physical therapy.
We had a good discussion about depression and "ordinary life event
sadness."
To all, - I will respond when I can. Thanks to you all just for
being there.
Right now, I am beat and going to bed (9:30 p.m. Pacific time).
love and hugs to you all,
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Finola- My name is Ann, and I had a hemorraghic stroke Dec. 1, 1999-
just a bit over a year ago. It was in the right parietal lobe, and
evacuated into the ventricle (that's a fancy way of saying it was on the
right side in the area above the ear, and that it bled into a space in
the brain that is normally only used for CSF). It was a pretty good
one- the surgeons removed a clot the size of a lime from the ventricle.
At this point I have returned to school full-time (14 credits). I have
a slight limp that's hardly noticeable to others unless I'm tired [or
playing for sympathy :)]. My brain is nowhere as quick as it used to
be, resulting in grades an average of one letter grade lower than
previously. Since I was pulling straight A's previously although it is
inconvenient and aggravating, it isn't as big of a problem as it _feels_
like it is to me. Immedeiately after the stroke I was unable to walk,
had severe visual problems, and was unable to care for my newborn
(stroked during labor as a result of pregnancy induced hypertension. I
was unable to type or play the piano, and had no interest in driving.
I'm back to doing all those things, except playing the piano (cause my
mom has it) and driving because of seizures that started in October.
The meds I am on for the seizures are working wonderfully well, and I
anticipate being abe to drive again in April. Don't let your mom give
up. She'll feel like it - I certainly did. In some ways it's no
different than what she needs to do as an aging adult anyway- use it or
lose it. Once she is done with her rahab, I can't recommend strongly
enough getting into classes of some kind if it's feasible. I know that
many colleges have an Elderhostel program, where seniors can take
classes over the summer, and even lodge in dorms and take advantage of
food service. The more she stretches her brain the better off she'll be
in the long run. It won't feel like learning hefore, and it will be
frustrating, but it will be the thing that helps her to relearn to use
what she has and forge what pathways she can while she can still take
advantage of the spontaneous healing.
Warm regards and Best Wishes and Prayers for you both,
Ann
Hi Moira
Welcome to the group. My name is Cheryl. I had a stroke almost a year and
a half ago. Mine was on the right side so I am left side effected. I am
glad that you found this group. It is really great. Very supportive and
alot of information can be found here just about everything and anything.
Are you a caregiver or stroker? We have many of both here, so you will be
supported either way.
Again, welcome
Cheryl
Janice
Good luck on the testing tomarrow and try not to get too stressed about it.
Do some deep breathing and positive self talk. And I am going to wish you a
Happy 45th Birthday today, as my memory is not good and I don't want to
forget. Have a great birthday and do something fun for you.
Love,
Cheryl
Hi to Group,
I have just unsubscribed Louise at her request. I have sent her an
email of sympathy and condolences.
Below is her email message to me. Please feel free to send her a
short email.
- whitegoose
--- hbto01 <hbto01@...
<< Dear Whitegoose:
Please take me off of the list. Tell everyone how much I
appreciated all of their support.
Thank you for all of your kind help and support. I really did
learn a lot about strokes and rehabilitation. We made fantastic
progress until the last bleed. Once home, he had another, and it
was just too much for him.
Thanks a lot!
Louise
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Hello and Welcome to Moira (moirac@...) receiving Daily
Digest.
You have just joined a wonderfully supportive online stroke support
group for Strokers, their caregivers, family members and friends.
Special Information for Caregivers, compiled by some members of our
Group is awaiting you to read at
http://strokesurvivors.org/welcome/info.html
so we hope that if you are a Caregiver you will visit this webpage
first.
We help and support each other by sharing our experiences, asking
questions, exchanging information, telling stroke and other
stories, in fact, anything that we want to talk about or discuss.
Most members reside in the U.S., but we have a few in Australia,
Brazil, Canada, Curacao (Nederlands Antilles), Germany, Ireland,
Netherlands, New Zealand, Singapore/Indonesia, Sweden, and the U.K.
Click Here: <A HREF="http://www.expertsinmind.com/"
Institute</A
I found the biofeedback institute
Love Anne
Tomorrow is the big day. Not only do I have my neuropysch. appointment, but
it is also my 45th birthday. (boy, that was hard to say!!). Thanks for the
info about the testing. I'll let you know how it goes.
Janice
LaVondra- BorthControll pills have been implicated in strokes from clots
or vasospasms.PPA has been implicated in hemoaragic strokes that
generally occurred within days of when a woman began taking PPA
medications. There is a disorder common with right brain strokes called
agnosia that means an inability to name common objects but I haven't
heard of it used to describe color recognition problems but the right
side of the brain does process all sensory information so maybe it's all
part of that. Kate
LaVonda, I was also taking a drug that hadPPA prior to my stroke:(
I saw an add on TV regarding a class action lawsuit,but failed to get the
address. Can you give it to me?
Anne
I had a hemorrhagic stroke. My doctor says that the birth control pill
caused it, but I think it was caused by the drug, PPA, that was in my cold
medicine. Yesterday, I looked in my medicine cabinet and I found some cold
medicine I was taking before my stroke, and it contained PPA. I'm currently
trying to get involved in that lawsuit that they have filed against the maker
of that drug ingredient, if it's not too late. My stroke happened on
September 8, 1999. So far, my recovery has been great, especially
considering that most people thought I would be paralyzed on my left side
(but, I'm not. I didn't move the left side of my body for four months). The
only problems I have are I tend to lean to the left when walking, and it is
very difficult for me to chew correctly. The chewing part is probably my
fault, because I remember my therapist telling me to practice chewing,
especially on the left side of my mouth. I don't think I practiced enough.
Oh yeah, I have vision problems. I don't always see the correct color. Last
month, I went to get my eyes tested and she said she didn't see any reason
why I have difficulty seeing colors, except for the fact that I had the
stroke. Once, I thought some people on TV were wearing orange; someone later
told me that they were wearing white.
LaVondra
Z00ky- language is the third word in the English language. Do I win a prize?
Kate
Trying to quit smoking and you just can't seem to do it even though you've
tried EVERYTHING you know of to do it?
Well, here's a technique that you may not have tried. I have seen quite a few
people try this and it worked, for them. Note: the operative here is: "for
them".
Speaking in US $$'s, for about the cost of another carton of cigs invest in a
cigarette making machine (about $10.00), a box of pre-made cigarette tubes
w/filters (about $2.00) and a can of good tobacco (about $8.00 - btw - don't
let the "good tobacco" fool you), and perhaps a plastic hardbox to hold the
finished cigarettes. OK, you're all set - that was easy, no - plus, depending
on the brand the you smoke it may be cheaper than your brand. Hehehehe, said
the spider, come in to my web, sit for a spell and read on.
The first thing that you'll encounter is trying to fill the machine properly
for a cigarette. You'll either overfill it and the machine won't work, or
you'll underfill it and the cigarette will burn so fast it's done by the time
you light it. Now comes the task of trying to attach the tube so that you can
fill it with the tobacco. You'll quickly find that that's no easy task and
you'll ruin many tubes before you get the hang of it. No problem - they only
cost about a penny, each - esides, that's one less cig that you'll be smoking.
Now - light up and enjoy. !WRONG! Even though you bought some really good
tobacco the cigs really taste horrible.
As for filling that empty case that you bought - that started out to be a good
idea but you'll find that it takes a LONG time fiddling with the machine &
tubes that'll you'll quickly get to the point of just making one when you need
it. In fact, the thought of trying to make another one will cause you to delay
it for a while.
Oh, yeah - making them this way means you'll be making quite a mess. You'll
soon grow weary of cleaning it up.
After the first tin of tobacco is gone, get a cheap brand- these REALLY taste
awful. So, you clearly will not want to spend the time trying to make a cig
that's going to taste AWFUL and then have to clean up the mess.
The folks that used this method just stopped smoking because it no longer was
an enjoyable thing to do. In fact - it was a pain in the a..! :)
Using a Google search I discovered many websites that offer info on
neurobiofeedback. This seems to be a good one, even though it's dealing with
other things. The process seems to be the same as I had, though. I'm sure
this particular url will get Kate's attention, hehe.
http://www.nursingexcellence.com/articles/junjul99/brain1.shtml
No, no, no! Do not get me wrong. I am cetainly not lesbians, gays, homosexuals of all types. I am certainly not homosexual but some of my good friends are. As well as lesbians. If that is of their nature so be it. I have worked with them, partied with them, argued with them and the subject odf sexual orientation has never come up. If it was just a good informational conversation resulted. I have never been approached and they are certainbly not homosexual by choice.
I will stand with them back to back to defende their right to be. There are worse in tyhis woirld who are calling the shots and infringing on our right to be.
Rick
I am 51. 25 March 2000 (Finola, I was at a Highland Ball in the middle of a Scottish Country Dance when my left side just quit working- no clue ahead of time) I had a hemhorragic stroke on my right side
which originally took away all feeling and function on my left side. I have recovered speech, swallowing (singing is still awful) and about 85% of my physical movement function. (unless I am tired and then everything goes haywire). Still have no sensation and a raging case of Thalamic Central Pain ( This could be the cause of your mother's pain.) See this excellent site http://www.centralpain.org. I am on Norvasc, hydrochlorothalazide, garlic, astragalus, Centrum Silver. I have 5 kids,6grandkids,1 husband and a 176 acre farm
Hope this helps some ,Finola, I would be happy to help if you have other questions. Barbara
Hi To All
Is there anybody out there that has had a Haemorrhagic Stroke.
Could you please tell me if you don't mind, how it happened and how long
ago, and where you are at at this moment with recovery of movement.
My mother had a bad one of these strokes 24th December2000. She is 76
Finola
Yes, Z00ky, I do.
Yesterday, the Central Billing Center of AOL in the USA asked me to give a
second credit card number of mine, to make them able to verify accounting
errors. As my billing is done in Germany and the request sounded quite fishy
to me, I did not respond, but complained to my Billing Center. As usual, they
don't know the difference between a customer's request and their own
backsides - no response.
It was a very convincing and real looking AOL setup wanting to have another
credit card number. I wonder, if not AOL employees are behind this scam.
Reinhard
If you're feeling paranoid today, this may help make things even worse! :)
Privacy group warns of e-mail wiretap
February 5, 2001
Web posted at: 2:32 p.m. EST (1932 GMT)
by James Evans
(IDG) -- A newly identified snooping technology allows someone sending an
e-mail to see what the recipient wrote when it is forwarded on to another
user, an Internet privacy group announced Monday.
It really is a wiretap and it's "very illegal and very easy to do," said
Richard Smith, chief technology officer for the Privacy Foundation based in
Denver, in a column he wrote for the non-profit educational and research
organization. The vulnerability exists in mail that uses HTML (HyperText
Markup Language).
A few lines of JavaScript can be embedded in an e-mail message and allows
the recipient's mail to be returned to the original sender. It only works,
however, if the recipient's e-mail program is set to read JavaScript.
Smith learned about the email exploit while working on research on Web bugs,
an invisible image embedded in a Web page or e-mail that quietly transmits a
message back to a remote computer when viewed. He corresponded with Carl
Voth, an engineer in British Columbia, who told him about the JavaScript
vulnerability. Voth is believed to have discovered the flaw he calls the
"reaper exploit" in October 1998.
Computer scientists from the Privacy Foundation have learned that the
exploit only works when the recipient is using an HTML/JavaScript-enabled
e-mail reader such as Microsoft Corp.'s Outlook, Outlook Express or version
6 of Netscape Communications Corp.'s Web browser package. Eudora, Qualcomm
Inc.'s email software, and version 6 of America Online Inc.'s latest client
software are not affected as JavaScript is turned off by default.
Microsoft's Hotmail and other Web-based email systems automatically remove
JavaScript programs from incoming e-mail messages and therefore are not
vulnerable.
Smith, in his column, worries that the exploit may be used often and people
may try to gain access to information that they normally would not be
privileged to see. For example, a user may send a resume via e-mail and then
learn what the potential employer thinks about his or her qualifications,
Smith writes.
The Privacy Foundation has requested Microsoft and Netscape to turn off
JavaScript code by default in all of their e-mail readers. Little use is
seen for JavaScript in e-mail, only pitfalls such as viruses, e-mail spam
and now the wiretapping problem, Smith said.
Here's a neat riddle for all of you strokesurvivors to think about today - if
you get it, it'll prove that at least SOME parts of your brain still work,
hehe.
There are several words that end in 'gry'. Two of them are hungry & angry.
What is the third word in the English language?
Note: while you may seek assistance from your caregiver on this, only stroke
survivors may reply to this. :)
Kate: Here's the dosing method we use (by weight). We can also use the
surface measurement but that gets pretty daunting.
Always treat the human being and not the theory about the disease!
Dosage for children and elders
Children have special needs and special plants address these needs. Whenever
possible focus upon the tonics and normalizers. The healing capacity of
children can be quite incredible. Care must also be given to dosage, obviously
a lower dosage being used. As with children, our elders have special needs and
plants address these needs.
Dosage will, obviously, vary according to age and a number of mathematical
formulae have been developed to facilitate this. For our purposes, however, it
will not be necessary to get out your calculators! Dosage proportionate to age
can be adequately approximated using a method developed by Dr.Young many years
ago. There are some exceptions to this but they involve medicinal plants that
the FDA (in their wisdom?!?) have restricted.
Age Examples of proportional doses
Adult 1 1.0g 2.0g 10.0g 1.0ml
12 years old 1/2 0.5g 1.0g 5.0g 0.5ml
8 years old 2/5 0.4g 0.8g 4.0g 0.4ml
4 years old 1/4 0.25g 0.5g 2.5g 0.25ml
2 years old 1/8 0.125g 0.25g 1.25g 0.125ml
1 years old 1/16 0.0625g 0.125g 0.625g 0.0625ml
With the advent of of modern pharmaceuticals, dosage measurments became much
more critical. This is because of the potency of the chemicals and the minute
amount concerned. A number of methods have been developed to cope with need for
such accuracy. The British National Formulary (1985 gives three ways of
arriving at the appropriate dosage for children.
1. Age-related
This is a more refined version of Dr.Youngs method ~
Age Ideal body weight Height Body Surface % of adult dose
kg lb mm in m2
Newborn 3.4 7.5 500 20 0.23 12.5
1 month* 4.2 9 550 22 0.26 14.5
3 months* 5.6 12 590 23 0.32 18
6 months 7.7 17 670 26 0.40 22
1 year 10 22 760 30 0.47 25
3 years 14 31 940 37 0.62 33
7 years 23 51 1200 47 0.88 50
12 years 37 81 1480 58 1.25 75
Adult
Male 68 150 1727 68 1.8 100
Female 56 123 1626 64 1.6 100
2. Body-weight
This may be used to calculate an appropriate dose, but it must be borne in
mind that young children may require a higher dose per kilogram body-weight
than adults because of their higher metabolic rates. The usually conversion
formula is ~
Patients weight in kg * adult dose or Patients weight in lb * adult dose
70 150
2. Body-surface measurements
A challenge to calculate, but its amazing what you can do these days! For
completion sake here is the formula, but I dont recommend trying to measure the
surface area of young children of your acquaintance ~
surface area of patient (m2) * adult dose
1.8
In a message dated 2/6/2001 9:34:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jpudewell@... writes:
This site was beautifully done! I loved it. I almost felt as if I was
there. :)
Love, Mush
Hi Zooky,
Thanks for the truly informative information regarding our sleep
problems (and melatonin). BTW you put it all together very well
and I know it must have been no easy task.
On a personal note. My doc. told me to keep a night light going
after I go to bed. The body-producing melatonin gets "thrown out
of whack" when we get up for nocturnal journeys to visit the "John"
and throw on a bright light.
Whitegoose: This is interesting! But sorting out the wheat from
the "chaff" is burdensome. Lots of quacksters in this area. I
know of no studies - because the grant moneys go to pharmaceutical
companies, - nothing in it for them so something like this (which
might prove very beneficial/or junk gets the by-pass.
I want to repeat Zooky's warning message. Very Important. I give
it my 100%.
I also agree with Zooky's advice about electric blankets:
a disaster waiting to happen for you.
Zooky thank you for this one about Neurobiofeedback. I feel sure
many on our list could benefit from this one.
I also agree with Zooky's final note:
One final note from me - all of the above would only apply if the
symptoms persist beyond about a year after the stroke. Prior to
that, the brain is probably shutting down your body so that it
has time to heal. Also, many meds are labeled "may cause
drowsiness". If you're on such meds you may want to check with
your MD to see if there are alternative meds you could take.
You did a great job with this one Zooky. We are so grateful. Hope
you enjoyed a beautiful nap with the sweetest dreams imaginable.
:)
whitegoose
Next message:
Hi to Darlene,
My working hours were similar to yours. Got up at 6, caught the
Skytrain at 6:45, then a bus, then to UBC arriving just before
8:30.
I was the "computer person" (did the buying, installing,
troubleshooting, bla bla bla..etc.). Very stressful. If I could
fix it (thankfully most times) I was loved. If I coudldn't - well
you get the picture. And having some of the top guys wait even a
few days for a new computer - no words can express..."
Like you, I thought depression was an attitude ' "Get off your
butt, and pull your socks up, and face up to the real world."
But 3 months after my stroke, I found myself in a pit i couldn't
get out of. I begged the doc. to send me to a psychiatrist. I was
eventually diagnozed with "clinical depression." It is a brain
disorder, mine was caused by the stroke. I cried at everything.
Even happy things! No-one who has never been there can understand
it. It wasn't just mourning for the former person I was, or crying
over a sad TV show. Everything was just so overwhelming, and I was
not my "former self" who could deal with it. I was this "flaky
person" who was useless and could do nothing.
My psychiatrist put me on a low-dose antidepressant and it turned
my life around. I wanted to help other strokers. I started an
online support group. My awakening thought is "How can I help a
Stroker Today."
Darlene, I'm so glad you have never experienced this "clinical
depression", I am so glad you missed it. It is a horror story. My
lability (laughing and crying at inappropriate moments) has cost me
many friends. I'm so glad that of all your deficits you missed
this one. I think you are a wonderful person. Your email to
Janice not so long ago was so full of compassion and love. (I know
you are a really good person).
We all have "good cry's" for who we once were. For the families
who were dependent on us, for the parents. But when stroke says
"you can't" anymore it is hard for some of us to deal with this.
And for those of us whose brains backfired and who need the
antidepressant to function, please think kindly of us.
love,
whitegoose
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In a message dated 2/5/01 4:39:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
From Bill in Wyoming. Thanks Bill!
whitegoose
YOU KNOW YOU'RE IN TROUBLE WHEN...
- Your accountants letter of resignation is postmarked Zurich.
- You have to hitch hike to the bank to make your car payment.
- Your suggestion box starts ticking.
- Your secretary tells you the FBI is on line 1, the DA is on line
2, and CBS is on line 3.
- You see your stockbroker hitchhiking out of town.
- You see the captain running toward the railing wearing a life
jacket.
- They pay your wages out of petty cash.
- You make more than you ever made, owe more than you ever owed,
and have less than you've ever had.
- You tell the barber what you think about his prices before you
get your haircut.
- Getting there is half the fun and three-fourths of the vacation
budget.
- The simple instructions enclosed aren't.
- A black cat crosses you path and drops dead.
- You take an assertiveness training course and you're afraid to
tell your wife.
- The plumber floats by on your kitchen table.
- Your pacemaker has only a thirty day guarantee.
- The candles on your cake set off your smoke alarm.
- The pest exterminator crawls under your house and never comes out.
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Egads! those fools! Theororetically speaking, snorting would prevent the liver
from
metabolizing the vicodin as it does when it's swallowed, and it might prevent
detectio nof actual level on a drug screen. But to get the intended benefit, the
vicodin would have to be pulverized into a very fine powder and mixed into a
solution or gasp burned an inhaled.But unless these rocket scientists knew how
to
seperate the drug from all of the fillers, It seems like a lot of extra work,I
may
be thought that snorting provides a more direct route to the brain by snorting,
but
the brain has a protective barrier called the blood-brain barrier that keeps
everything except glucose from being able to enter the brain, that includes
substances absorbed into the capillaries in the nasal structure.before being
delivered to the rest of the brain. If the dimwits wanted to get higher faster
all
they would have to do is addmotrin when taking vicodin but because vicodin
contains
acetamenophen that can be dangerous for other reasons but motin does seem to
potentiate vicodin. I hope the story only meant people were using it
recreationally
like cocaine., but I suspect they meant people were actually ingesting it in the
same manner as cocaine. If the fillers aren't removed first, snorting vicodin
could
destroy protective membranes in the nasal cavity and structures. And people
wonder
why they call it dope Kate
Isn't virgin olive oil also from the first pressing of the olives? I thought the
biggest difference was that extra virgin was less acid. My nutritionist
recommends
getting "cold-press" olive oil which is even lower in acid.. Kate
In a message dated 2/5/01 6:08:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Some folks have requested info on how to gain access to the "mystery list". I
think it best that we not do that. Reason: while it is a composite of every
healing modality known to mankind - it's not for everyone to attend - questions
like "what's good for....." are not well received. They take on some pretty
hefty issues to discuss. They never attack each other's modality - it's a good
place to come to to use combined great minds at solving health issues. otoh -
there is LOTS of ego-squabbles. There was just such a squabble going on when I
posed my question about "us". They dropped their petty arguing and gave me all
kinds of info. Once that was done, they got back to their squabbling. If you
saw that in action you'd probably never, EVER, see a "professional" in the
future. It's hilarious to watch, though. Just gotta keep things in context
while you're doing it.
Grasping at straws, I mentioned sleep apnea to Bill's doctor when he was having so much difficulty breathing. The doctor's comment was, "Sleep apnea is common in stroke survivors." Your diagnosis of yourself may be correct and I don't think your doctor will "think you're nuts or looking for excuses." If he/she does maybe it's time to find another doctor! Love, Mary Claire
Rick, there are times when I think I might have sleep apnea(I've gained 100
lbs. since my stroke).
I'm afraid to address this with my Doc he'll think I'm nuts and looking for
excuses.
Do you have any suggestions?
Anne
As to problems with sleep and anti-depressants, Darlene has put it bluntly,
but loud and clear, and in my opinion, correct. We over 60 do not need so
much sleep anymore (When I was 20, I sometimes already needed no sleep at
all). Yet now I tire easy in the evenings (even without TV), go to bed early
and sometimes count the sheep of Ken's Farm around three a.m.
All pills handed to me by the mad doctor in Rehab Clinic I flushed down the
toilet, which was then a very happy anti-depressive toilet with a low blood
(or water) pressure. Little old me was better off without the stuff, as my
therapists not hesitated, to agree (out of earshot from the mad doctor).
Thank you, Darlene.
Reinhard
Hi Cheryl, Joyce and Whitegoose!
I suffer from Transient Ischemic Attack[TIA] and that is the reason why I've described all those symptoms. As to taking Lipidor , I've just started taking it , but I also take antidepressants and I hope they won't interact and have a harmful effect.
We have a wellknown Brazilian writer ,Joćo Ubaldo Ribeiro, who says that if we pay attention to everything that is said by the mass media, we'll be afraid of living! It's not our case, because we are talking about our doctors,but sometimes they don't pay much attention to what their colleagues are prescribing to their patients.
As to my birthday, Whitegoose, I was born in Campos dos Goitacazes, December 24, 1928,Brazil.
Mary Tavares.
marytav@...
That was horrible. I wouldn't want to get involved with that either.
Joyce
I just had a horrible thing happen - I wandered into a chat room and was
surprised by someone (I didn't recognize the "handle") that asked if I was the
same Zooky as seen on......... Much to my horror they were discussing the best
and most painless way of committing suicide. That person then asked if I could
share any herbal information that would help with that task. I bailed out of
that chat room - PRONTO! So, whoever you are, be it known that I will !NOT!
give out such information on herbs! Geez!
When I was well and working full time at a very stressful job, I went to bed
at 11:30 and got up at 6:00 every morning. I am curious as to what the
problem is for some for you who say you don't sleep. How many hours do you
want? It is a known fact that as we age we need less sleep. Get a book to
read or do something with the extra awake time.
Also, why are antidepressants always suggested for stroke survivors? I think
some people should take them but not everyone. What is wrong with being sad
after a stroke? What is wrong with a good cry? What is wrong with mourning
your life as it once was? If a person can function, even minimally, why can't
that person be given time to heal without a lot of meds. Every med that helps
one thing might be presenting another symptom. My anti anxiety medicine was
adding to my depression. My anti depression medicine was making me more
tense. In some cases we just have to learn to deal with the condition. Being
sad, is not being depressed. We use that word too lightly now. Depression is
a condition that needs to be verified by a doctor. You can be sad and think
about death as a way out sometimes, without being depressed. The nuts are the
people who survive a stroke and then tell everyone how happy they are they
had a stroke. I am not happy I had a stroke. Though I am happy that I have
met so many wonderful people since I did have the stroke I am very unhappy
with the things that I can no longer do. Believe me I would rather be able to
walk.
Shudder. Here's a url that you may find useful. I'm sure Kate can give you
more info. Hope so, I've gnawed my fingers down to the knuckle just thinking
about what they're doing to their body.
That's GREAT input = THANKS! Besides being great for lowering cholesterol,
olive stuff (oil, leaves, etc.) are used medicinally for many different things.
I can see where "extra virgin" would be very useful for that.
Hi. I just received an email from the AOL News people, that said the sooner
you're found after the stroke, can help prevent damage from the stroke. My
sister just told me that she found me after my stroke, at night.
Fortunately, I had my stroke before she went to bed. I think that's one of
the reasons I've recovered so well, besides the facts that I'm young and my
church prayed for me. I'm just so glad that she didn't the next morning.
The article mentioned this: http://www.stroke.org/
LaVondra
I was told there was this thing on the news tha news just afew nights ago how
people were usin vicodin like cocaine.
Now do tell me how would they do that?I do know that coke is snorted.But if they
took vicodin up the nose wouldn't it still have tha same affect as per say
swallowing it.
Hi Whitegoose
Thanks again for your information. Sorry for not getting back to you sooner
but I have been down in Sligo with my mother. My sister and I take alternate
weeks to be with her.
My mothers specialist is loathe to try HBOT as her stroke is a bleed and
she said that if she were to use it on her, it would be as a trial only and
obviously we the family would have to talk about this in depth as it would
not be a simple decision
.
Have you heard of anyone with a bleed that has tried it and what were the
end results?
My mother is progressing very very slowly, but at least it is positive. She
is full time into therapy now and she says that she is actually enjoying it.
I find it very frightening sometimes when her weak arm accidentally slides
off the pillow supporting her in her wheelchair and it just lies flaccid
beside her, and she is not even aware that it has happened
She has got a very slight amount of feeling back in her weak leg and that to
me is a very good sign.
When the nurses were taking changing her from the bed to her wheelchair she
banged her weak leg. She said that she got and an unmerciful pain in it and
all the way up the weak side of her body. Is this normal? and is it a sign
that more feeling is coming back?
.
Thanks again
Finola
Thanks again
Finola
Ms Whitegoose,
Thank you ever so much.I will check that there site out you have given to me.My
Left breast if so full of bumps..very painful I do must say.Why just the otha
day i found anotha one in my right breast.It does seem to run in th e family
though.
Why I am on primerine 1.25 mg.
1x per.day.
I almost fear to submit this but actually "extra virgin" olive oil is what results from the first pressing of the olive crop. It is redolent of the essence of olives. The very finest "extra virgin" is green and must be spread like butter because it is so thick. Later pressings are more refined, meaning that they are more "liquid" and the taste of olives is less pronounced.
Since this is so, the lesser virgin oils are considered to be more suitable for cooking than "extra virgin". They are cheaper and impart less of an olive flavor to other foods.
As far as health benefits are concerned regarding the various pressings I cannot comment but I always treasure the oil Bill and I receive as a gift from friends in Greece. It is made from olives grown in their own groves and is as virgin as can possibly be. It is very thick, bright green and luscious. I wouldn't dream of using it for cooking. Mary Claire
Hi to Group,
Going out to the Valley, the Lake, and visiting family, I had to
put myself on Digest. How lovely to read the messages when i got
home.
But I'll never be able to respond to them all - I know you will
understand.
Reinhard made a good observation. In a different time zone (aout 9
hrs. ahead of me on the Pacific NW Coast) he can always find
someone "wide awake" on the north american continent. I always wake
early but am thankful I no longer have to scramble to get to work.
Mary Claire. High Homocysteine levels is an independent risk for
stroke and cardiovascular disease. It may be interconnected with
cholesterol/carbohydrate (no studies on that yet). BUT many
studies are underway. Many studies are completed (Germany, Israel,
Spain, Sweden, the Netherlands). They show that there is a great
risk for people with high homocystene levels and strokes and
cardiovascular incidents. The Canadian Heart/Stroke foundation and
the AMA - American Heart Association, are awaiting further
long-term studies.
But the Canadian Medical Association Journal recommends that
people at risk be tested and placed on B12, B6, and folic acid
regimes.
These are natural and cheap. They briing nothing to the
pharmaceutical companies. The test costs $30 to $50.
My personal experience - My Polish doctor had my levels tested -
they were "off the chart." Since receiving B12, B6 and folic acid,
I have encountered higher energy level. I feel so much better.
My cholesterol was tested almost immediately after the stroke. It
was perfect. I eat canned salmon and seafoods a lot (I don't know
if this has anythging to do with it). I eat lots of salads with
the only dressing - olive oil and various spices.
Kate - excellent point about taking SSRI anti-depressants and
cholesterol lowerin